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Author:  pyrat [ Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: dressing for summer

Mithel, saw this on YouTube last night and the comment on Alden shoes being a wider than AE made me think this might be of interest to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37u1Y45FY84

Author:  Mithel [ Mon Apr 04, 2016 10:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: dressing for summer

Interesting review, thanks!

I'll have to check out Alden since they have a store in the same location that Allen Edmonds does! It's a shame they don't have prices on the website (apparently Alden doesn't sell online). I *think* from seeing the Alden shown before that they are higher priced than Allen Edmonds.

It's good to have another brand to look at and consider.

Author:  pyrat [ Mon Apr 04, 2016 11:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: dressing for summer

I found a price on the Alden cap toe Balmoral Oxford of $522, which is about $125 more than AE's Park Avenue Oxford. Crockett & Jones cap toe Oxfords are around $635 and are around $650. At Barneys New York, but can be found online for around $100 less. Allen Edmonds only looks expensive until you start shopping other high end brands. :-(

;-)

Author:  Mithel [ Wed Apr 06, 2016 9:15 am ]
Post subject:  Dress Shoes - Allen Edmonds, Alden, Etc

I thought we should split off a specific thread for just discussing dress shoes.

Continuing from our discussion in "dressing for summer"...

I went to the local Allen Edmonds store again last night and took some photos:

Here you can see several styles all in "Walnut" which shows that the color does vary a bit from shoe to shoe (this photo isn't the greatest for showing that off).
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I returned the "Boca Raton Woven Wingtips" and ordered a pair of "Barlett" (2nd from the left):
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The "Barlett" are lined with lambskin and have premium calfskin leather uppers. I was impressed at how much softer they are (they are also another $100 more expensive).

Also I stopped at the store which carries Alden shoes. They had a very minimal selection. I tried one pair ("Long Wing Blucher" $544) on and their D width is about what a Allen Edmonds E width is (this agrees with what was mentioned in the video that Pyrat referenced in the other thread). The Alden shoes are more expensive and I don't like them as much as Allen Edmonds.

I did test two "identical" shoes (Allen Edmonds "Park Avenue") and yes, there does seem to be a very small variance from one shoe to the next. So if a pair doesn't fit quite perfect, ask to try on another pair of the exact same type in the exact same size.

Allen Edmonds has changed what they sell over the past five years or so (unfortunately at the moment it seems like a poor time to buy their shoes) so if they don't have something you like, check back with them in another year or two.

Author:  Mithel [ Wed Apr 06, 2016 9:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dress Shoes - Allen Edmonds, Alden, Etc

My opinion at the moment is that if you want to wear good dress shoes you should expect to pay a minimum of $250 (on sale) and typically $300 to $500 or more.

Author:  pyrat [ Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dress Shoes - Allen Edmonds, Alden, Etc

I would agree, with $400 being about average (not on sale). Unfortunately, Allen Edmonds never seemingly puts the black Park Avenue cap toe oxfords on sale because they are such a good seller.

We were talking about wholecut oxfords the other day and I was wondering if the AE Carlyle Plain-Toe Oxfords were wholecut, so I did an online chat session with AE and found out there are not wholecut. Actually, looking at them again, this should have been obvious because of the seam around the upper, below the lacings.

And speaking of wholecut shoes, Antonio Centeno at Real Men Real Style has an interesting video on wholecuts I ran across this morning that I thought you might enjoy too.

http://www.realmenrealstyle.com/wholecut-leather-shoes/

Author:  Mithel [ Thu Apr 14, 2016 4:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dress Shoes - Allen Edmonds, Alden, Etc

From Antonio's piece on whole cut shoes the key for me is:

"The silhouette is trim and narrow – if you have borderline wide feet, a pair of cap toe oxfords are going to fit you better."

Thus for my wide feet I'm not sure I could get a whole cut that I'd like. Shoes are one item that I like to have a local store for. Ordering online is great but returning items that don't fit is expensive and annoying (depending on the company you are working with).

I'm still working on settling into the "Barlett" from Allen Edmonds. They seem like great shoes that I will love once I've broken them in a bit. They are noticeably softer than my other AE shoes.

Have you bought Antonio's "A Man's Guide to Style"?

Author:  pyrat [ Thu Apr 14, 2016 10:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dress Shoes - Allen Edmonds, Alden, Etc

I saw that line on wholecuts and wide feet and thought that might be an issue for you. :-(

I'm really tempted to try a pair of the wholecuts though, but I'd like to try them on before I buy. The other thing is they would wind up being my tux shoes so not a high use item. It would probably be better to get something more useful. Thought about the AE smooth toe shoes, which are not whole cut, but probably better to get a black pair of the Park Avenues, or a black pair of brogues, although Ox Blood is a really interesting color, and more versatile than it would seem at first glance.

Author:  Mithel [ Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dress Shoes - Allen Edmonds, Alden, Etc

"Ox Blood" / Merlot / Chili are intriguing color choices for shoes. They seem to look good to me but I've read that you should never wear red shoes.

It would be nice to have unlimited funds and infinite closets to outfit ourselves with all kinds of variety to try.

Author:  pyrat [ Fri Apr 15, 2016 10:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dress Shoes - Allen Edmonds, Alden, Etc

LOL, I hear you on closet size. You might find this amusing, how about a 3000 sq. ft. closet? :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--R9ID0ZaI8

Author:  Mithel [ Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dress Shoes - Allen Edmonds, Alden, Etc

Cripes a 3000 square foot closet would be essentially the size of my entire house. I'm not sure what to do now that I've got two small walk in closets full. (when my wife passed away I took over her's too) I've been thinking about modifying one of the other bedrooms to make more storage space.

Author:  pyrat [ Fri Apr 15, 2016 4:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Dress Shoes - Allen Edmonds, Alden, Etc

We downsized hour house, which might have been a mistake... That closet is almost 30% larger than our whole house. We are thinking about getting something with more bedrooms so we can have a storage room too. Amazing how much junk you accumulate over time. Kind of funny, but when we go looking at houses, the two things I look at first are the kitchen and the master bedroom closet. I also have one closet dedicated to computer systems, so a bedroom that can become my computer admin room would be handy too, and spouse needs her office. Maybe a four bedroom house would do and five would be nice. :D

Author:  Mithel [ Sat Apr 16, 2016 7:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dress Shoes - Allen Edmonds, Alden, Etc

Five (bedrooms) is nice, but when it's down to just yourself living there the clutter accumulates and the cleaning is overwhelming at times.

Lots of people advise "downsizing" but I just can't see any point to it (other than it would force me to get rid of a lot of clutter).

From a "Bond" point of view, I guess we'd live in tiny houses or apartments and never be at home. Where does Bond keep all of his suits??? Bond has an amazing wardrobe yet never seems to have any luggage.

And now we have drifted off the topic of dress shoes... {grin}

Last night I went out dancing again and I have to say I'm really liking the AE "Barlett".

Author:  pyrat [ Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dress Shoes - Allen Edmonds, Alden, Etc

LOL, love your comment about Bond's wardrobe when in the field. Trunk space in an Aston Martin must be exceptional!!! Wish I could get that much stuff in the Jag's trunk. And of course this doesn't show all the stuff in the back seat...

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Back on the subject of shoes, a lot of the lists of the 5 basic shoes a man needs state you shouldn't get the same shoe twice in, say, a different color. Of course not all of them stay this, and I tend to agree with this latter advice. I need a pair of black formal shoes, so, I'm planning on purchasing a pair of the AE Park Avenue Oxfords in black, even though I have a pair in Bourbon already. I actually tend to wear brown shoes more than black, but the only pair of blacks I have are a derby with a kind of square toe which, while they are very comfortable, are not my favorite look. The unfortunate thing here is the black Park Avenue Oxfords never go on sale because they are a top seller with out a price reduction. Of course, the minute I take the plunge, they will go on sale, but that's life. :roll: Following that purchase, I'll be looking for some nice brogues, and maybe something in ox blood. The nice thing about, AE is they always have a belt to match, which with a lot of shoe manufacturers is not always the case.

Author:  Mithel [ Mon Apr 18, 2016 9:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Dress Shoes - Allen Edmonds, Alden, Etc

That's one full Jaguar trunk!

I see nothing wrong at all with having the same shoe in multiple colors!

Are you going to get the AE Park Avenue in "Cordovan" or in the standard calf skin? I'm planning to visit AE again tomorrow.

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